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Federal Minister of Health Karl Lauterbach with Markus Lanz. (April 5, 2022). (Screenshot) © ZDF

“Ukrainian propaganda”? Markus Lanz stands out in his ZDF interview with a derailment, while Karl Lauterbach once again steals the show.

“Lupus est homo homini, non homo, quom qualis sit non novit” (“A wolf is man to man, not a man until he knows what gender the other is”), the merchant tells Leonida in the comedy “Asinaria” (“donkeys”) by the Roman poet Titus Maccius Plautus (c. 254-184 BC). Even with the British mathematician and philosopher Thomas Hobbs (1588 – 1679), the more than 2000 year old saying has lost all humor. He used the citation for the potentially destructive relationship between the states as a logical further development of the natural state of the people he assumed between them, who would find themselves in a “bellum omnium contra omnes” (“war of all against all “).

That man could be a wolf to man was also the subject of Ralph Nelson’s western “Soldier Blue” (“The Lullaby of Homicide”), which, when it hit theaters in 1970, was considered the “hardest film of all”. time”. The poster already hinted at what the public must see: A whole company of American soldiers, sabers drawn, move towards a naked and bound Indian woman. “Soldier Blue” was, especially in its last quarter, a cinematic reappraisal of the Sand Creek Massacre committed by American Union horsemen in 1864 on the inhabitants of an unprotected settlement of Cheyenne and Arapaho Indians in Colorado Territory.

Markus Lanz on ZDF: The war in Ukraine as a central topic

Filmed in the middle of the Vietnam War, when the judicial investigation into the atrocities of My Lai was making waves in American public opinion, Nelson castigates one of the most heinous crimes in the history of American Western conquest with a ferocity never seen in cinema: Women were raped and then their breasts cut off, children decapitated with sabers and then their heads impaled on spears while American soldiers danced and bawled.

Robin Alexander world journalist
Catherine Eigendorf Journalist at ZDF
Karl Lauterbach Federal Minister of Health, SPD
Daniela Schwarzer political scientist

And now, in 2022, similar records return to our living rooms: at the latest with the Bucha massacres, it will be clear to anyone who had any doubts that Vladimir Putin’s Russian troops are waging a war of annihilation in Ukraine, in which the civilian population is not spared either.

Markus Lanz (ZDF): Reporter from Ukraine lit

These horrific crimes against the population, during which, according to witnesses, probably Chechen and Kazakh special units and the notorious far-right (mercenary) group Wagner repeatedly raped Ukrainian women in front of their children, while many men were shot in the neck, take the first half of Markus Lanz’s talk show late Tuesday night.

ZDF journalist Katrin Eigendorf is online from Ukraine. The former Moscow correspondent, who was able to travel from Germany to Ukraine by train last week, spending hours in a dark compartment, is visibly affected. Because of their cruelty, many images could not be broadcast on television: “We saw corpses that were burned. These are also the smells that go with it.

Markus Lanz (ZDF): When are you “part of Ukrainian propaganda?

The pain threshold for otherwise quite hardened war correspondents – together with 50 other international colleagues she visited the scene of the horror at the invitation of the Ukrainian government – has long since passed: “It’s a real massacre, it has another dimension.”

This time, Markus Lanz does not react at all sensitively to these shocking statements, but wants to appear as the supposedly professionally distant journalist. In doing so, he scored an own goal that he didn’t think was possible: “When do we get into the action?”, he rightly asks first. But then it comes: when are you still a neutral journalist and when are you “part of Ukrainian propaganda”? Propaganda? The fact that he speaks of “Ukrainian propaganda” about these irrefutable war crimes, like the Russian side accusing the Ukrainians of having “staged” the mountains of corpses, is actually a slip of the tongue which cost many other (Western) journalists their lives. professional life could.

Political scientist at Markus Lanz (ZDF): “In my opinion, you have to take a look at it”

He must have meant it the very moment he said it, for a little later he tries to backtrack: “I will readily admit that the term ‘propaganda’ is unfortunate in this regard.” Nevertheless, he sticks to his position. . Couldn’t Ukraine have invited two or three ‘neutral’ journalists from a news agency, who would then have published ‘not so explicit’ images?” Ruthless war crimes investigations have another face …

However, he is not mistaken with his question “From when do the images really show the truth?”. Although he does not want to question the massacres, he may be missing “the context surrounding them”. With this objection, he is not alone in the evening round. Historically, there have been heinous crimes in wars – without the “context that surrounds them”, which he vaguely named. Political scientist Daniela Schwarzer agrees: “In my opinion, we need to take a closer look. This is the horrible face of this war!

Lauterbach on genocide near Lanz on ZDF: “I would be very careful”

Lanz’s regular guest, Robin Alexander, in his capacity as deputy editor of the daily newspaper “Die Welt”, who again and again, without being asked, but probably not inadvertently, becomes co-moderator and poses his own questions, contradicts the chic South Tyrolean: “People don’t come there to take pictures. They are people who know their stuff!” The slap for Markus Lanz was right!

Due to the on the one hand clear, on the other hand difficult topic, the most prominent guest of the talk show initially keeps a low profile, which is not typical for him. Health Minister Karl Lauterbach (SPD) considers it premature to call the events in Bucha “genocide”, as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky did. Similarly, a NATO intervention: “I would be very careful about that. You don’t play with it! But Karl Lauterbach wouldn’t be Karl Lauterbach if he didn’t warn of an imminent “World War III” in the face of the hasty action of Western countries in the face of the Russian attack on Ukraine. There are other ways to prevent genocide. That is why he is in favor of further arms deliveries from Germany to Ukraine.

Markus Lanz (ZDF) – Karl Lauterbach wants voluntary isolation “to recover again tomorrow”

Criticism of ‘United Journalist Alliance’ Robin Alexander and Markus Lanz that Germany did not send arms to Ukraine for weeks after Federal Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s ‘Zeitenwende’ speech (SPD) , he angrily contradicts: “That borders on defamation! We deliver more than what is publicly known and in some cases in a different way than what is publicly known. have certainly not ceased their activities.

But the always polarizing and sometimes unorthodox comedian Karl Lauterbach, who therefore always promises a note, then unexpectedly drops another bombshell during the second complex discussion of the evening, even speaking of a self-criticism “to reverse a mistake”. : the obligation to isolate oneself after a corona infection stay according to one’s will! In fact, home isolation should be voluntary from May 1. “I’ll get that back tomorrow,” announced the shrewd SPD politician and occasional self-promoter, who prefers to make statements in the “I” form, over “Markus Lanz.”

Karl Lauterbach (SPD) admits mistakes with Markus Lanz (ZDF).

The completely overwhelmed health authorities could no longer check whether the isolation and quarantine were respected and would therefore have been relieved by the planned relaxation, but: “The signal that passes is: Lauterbach says that quarantine and isolation are no longer necessary, Corona is harmless It does more harm than overloading the health authorities.

Therefore, a compromise must now be found: according to him, isolation will continue to be ordered by the health department, but will be reduced from seven to five days. Quarantine of contact persons should be recommended as planned, but ultimately decided by the persons concerned on their own responsibility. “So was it a mistake to waive the obligation to isolate?” Asked Markus Lanz, surprised, after regaining his composure. “Exactly”, confirms “Charlemagne”, “As a minister, you also have to be able to correct things that were wrong.” This attitude also commands the “respect” of Robin Alexander.

Markus Lanz (ZDF) – Karl Lauterbach: “I made a mistake here”

“I am constantly trying to optimize the fight against the pandemic”, explains Lauterbach, who knows that he is now the “hero of the evening”. “I always try to get the most out of the population, to deliver as few people as possible to this disease,” he says, not without shame. This is of course an allusion to his negotiations with Federal Minister of Justice Marco Buschmann (FDP). Without compromise, the Liberals would have achieved the “Day of Freedom” so longed for by a number of people in this country. “Then we would have had nothing,” Karl Lauterbach uses the Plurales Majestatis.

After the broadcast, the health and, more recently, marketing expert summed up his decision again on Twitter: “It would be a mistake for the health authorities to end the isolation order after corona infection in favor volunteering and it won’t happen. I made a mistake here. This relieves the health authorities. But the signal is wrong and harmful.

Lauterbach on compulsory vaccination from the age of 60 at Markus Lanz (ZDF): “Everyone will understand that”

Regarding the application of compulsory vaccination, Karl Lauterbach remains confident of victory with Markus Lanz: “I think that we will pass compulsory vaccination”, he declared for the vote in the Bundestag on Thursday. With compulsory vaccination for people over 60, 90% of vaccine-preventable deaths could be: “Everyone will understand that!” There is no point in mourning the general obligation to vaccinate from the age of 18: “I prefer to make vaccination compulsory from the age of 60 and save people with it.”

Markus Lanz on ZDF

Markus Lanz from April 5, 2022 on ZDF – link to the program in the media library

Robin Alexander, who has now completely taken over the role of the somewhat outdated Markus Lanz, cannot resist a little teasing: would “Lebensretter Lauterbach” really resign if he were to fail with his project on Thursday? “No, I wouldn’t be right,” says the 59-year-old health economist, doctor and politician in a personal union. Ending compulsory vaccination would be a huge defeat. But in this case, he would not have to accuse himself of “grotesque errors” which “would have cost lives” and would therefore require a resignation. During this conference, Karl Lauterbach once again stole the show…! (Marc Hairapetian)

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